Update: I have revived another two of those boards recently with the same symptom by reflowing the CPU.
This Philips did not show any sign of life except for the standby LED, which responded to an infrared remote. The 2-blink would show after a while and the level 2 code in SDM mode was 53.
Quick reminder: if you attempt to repair a QFU Philips, you must have a logging adapter, otherwise you are blind. See this blog post.
I plugged in the logging adapter and I got this in many repetitions until the two blinks came:
....
20:49:53.548 0x00000002 page is reading
20:49:53.557 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 StartUnit/EndUnit/offset
20:49:53.557 Reading out data:
20:49:53.557 00 unit:
20:49:53.557
20:49:53.567
20:49:53.567 waiting ECC result ready
20:49:53.567 00 bits error in the unit.
20:49:53.567
20:49:53.567
20:49:53.567 {preboot}
20:49:53.567 <000>
20:49:53.567 <010>
20:49:53.567 <020>K
That was it. Abrubt end.
To learn what was going on in a good TV I logged my 40 inch QFU1.2. The section where the dead device looped should look like this:
20:49:53.567 {preboot}
20:49:53.567 <000>
20:49:53.567 <010>
20:49:53.567 <020>KKG0G1
20:49:53.773 <030>DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20:49:53.831 <040>secure
20:49:53.832 Load uboot
20:49:53.850
20:49:53.884
20:49:53.884 U-Boot 2009.01_Production (Jun 11 2013 - 10:29:06)
20:49:53.884
20:49:53.884 U�U
20:49:53.911 NAND: NAND, size:1024MB, Micron(ID:0x2c,0x38), block size:512KB
20:49:53.913 1024 MiB
20:49:53.932 Env: NAND @ 0x01800000
20:49:53.983 bootcmd1
20:49:53.996 BOOTREASON=coldboot
...
So, the processor could not reach the point where it starts reading the main software, which is actually a Linux boot.
I suspected the SPI ROM first and swapped it. No change. Then I tried the NAND chip with an image from a 40PFL6008. No change.
The last option left was the CPU. I did not dare to reflow the whole board with its uncountable miniscule parts everywhere. I needed a tool with more precision.
I had my eyes on a BGA reflow workstation for a long time and this was the opportunity.
Here it is, the affordable IR6500 made in China (where else).
The preparation of the board was as follows:
- Remove the heatsink from the CPU. Use a heat gun briefly and it will come off easily.
- Do not put thick, tacky flux under the chip. I used to do this before, but realized that if the flux bubbles under the CPU while the balls are liquid, this can make the chip bounce and also it can cause balls to connect. Only thin, liquid flux, which does not accumulate under the chip and evaporates quickly, is suitable.
- Cover everything around the CPU with tin foil. Some instruction videos use a tape. I don't think this is necessary as this device does not blow hot air.
The first test was almost successful. It started booting but something was wrong with the NAND flash that I swapped. Linux refused it. Because the NAND was not the fault in the first place, I put back the original and voila! It started up fine.
Last task: put the heatsink back on. The original adhesive pad got ripped apart. To make the sink removable I decided to glue a thin thermal pad between the CPU and the sink:
The glue stays somewhat flexible, yet it might be strong enough to make removing a glued sink from the chip an unpleasant work. I'd rather destroy the pad instead.
This all worked well. Hallo Frau Johansson!
I do like this TV. The LG panel produces beautiful, realistic colors. My Panasonic Plasma is still the king of skin tone, but I could totally live with this one. With the sharpening reduced to a minimum, that is. I also like that it can be switched to computer mode, which bypasses all extra image processing and pixel by pixel is displayed as is. This gives you a realistic impression which information an image really contains and how much these devices invent by themselves!
The sound is not bad either. The 6000 series is still a bit on the budget side. Stereo is not taking place. The 8000 and 9000 series have a lot more to offer there.
Improving the cooling situation
This is an image of the back cover from a white 40 inch:
There is some convection going on. The air stream hits the CI socket (bravo!) and exits through a small portion of the upper grill. The dark streaks are dust accumulations on the footprint of the heat sink. Hot plastic attracts dust. This solution relies exclusively on air convection. The infrared radiation hits the plastic and in turn, being a bad heat conductor, the plastic gets hot, radiating back onto the device.
Without the back cover, at 21°C room temperature, the CPU gets 55° hot. That's okay. But with the cover on and in summer I estimate another 20° or more on top of that. That's almost 80°. Too hot for sustained function, if you ask me.
When I put the back cover on, I noticed that the thermal pad closed the gap between the sink and the cover. That was bad! Thermal death unavoidable and high danger of mechanical shock.
I cut out a rectangle at the sink position and glued a metal grid on it. Nothing beats a sink exposed to fresh air. Infrared radiation and air convection in one. It is not exactly robust and does not protect the CPU too well, but unusual problems require unusual solutions :-D
There are more stable grids available in hardware stores, but those are are not fine enough.
One hour break-in. About 55°C constant. This is perfect. Identical thermal situation as with an open cover.
About the IR6500
The manual is funny Chinglish. I could figure out the meaning of most sentences. However, not all details are needed. There is one predefined program for leaded and one for unleaded solder. That's all I need to know. Press start and you are good.
The glass shield on top of the downside heater is bullshit. It reduces the function of the heater plate drastically. The preheating is practically ineffective. I ran the program with the top heater swiveled aside. The board made it to 45°C on the top side. That's a joke. Proper pre-heating begins with 80 or more! I think I am going to remove the glass.
Hi, at what heat did you reflow the cpu?
ReplyDeletei did it with a hot air handgun gun, but now the software is unresponsive to the back buttons, or the remote inputs
After a lot of experiments I came to the conclusion that it was most likely not the reflow, which revived some CPUs. It's not about the soldering, but the CPU itself. The heat does something inside them. Some wake up, some don't. On the reflow station, the program has a peak of 235°C. The balls will not flow below 230, even though lead-free solder has a lower melting point.
ReplyDeleteToday, I would recommend to just go up to 220 to tease the CPU a little.
Hi Alpengeist! I just wanted to let you know that I managed to fix a 55PFL6678K2/12 with your precious tips, but I expect another failure soon due to crappy design. The problem with the TV was that it would only start after about 15 power plug inserts. Because I have previously repaired Philips monitors, I assumed the power unit has bulging capacitors. Upon inspection however they were all good so I analyzed further and stumbled upon your blog. I soldered a debug cable as you've shown and got exactly the same output. I removed the heatsink with some dental tape after heating it up and reflowed the CPU with a hot air gun set to 300C for about 35 seconds from 15mm distance. I did this 2 times and didn't measure the temperature of the chip. I used no flux. After reflowing I applied adhesive thermal tape to the CPU first and then positioned the heatsink on top. Well, it seems that... the ceramic heatsink is not really flat on the bottom. I have 3 large air pockets across the whole chip!!! If I hold the board against a light source I can see the light through the air pockets. Yikes! I removed the heatsink and repeated the process with exactly the same result so I really suspect the heatsink is not flat. Let's see how long it lasts when dust enters the pockets and traps the heat. I think next time I'll buy a metal heatsink instead. As for the reflow itself. I read somewhere that reflowing chips is very rarely about fixing the contacts between the chip and the board (this would really require reballing) but about fixing internal contacts in the chip itself. This so far matches my experience. Thank you so much for your detailed guide!!!
ReplyDeleteHey, bulging caps is a thing of the past. Since 5y or a little more, the majority of TVs don't have this fault anymore. The Chinese seem to have improved their quality.
DeleteI gave up on the QFU boards. It is like tossing a coin. Sometimes they get revived, sometimes they don't. I also assume that it has nothing to do with the soldering, but the CPU itself.
The ceramic heatsinks are actually not perfectly flat, I observed that as well. A pad has to compensate the bumps, a thin tape won't do. The whole cooling design is totally messed up in those devices. They stuffed too many functions into that one chip and catastrophically undersized its cooling.
Good to know bulging caps are a thing of the past! I used to see so many of them that I even got desoldering tweezers just to remove them quicker. Anyhow, I think I'm going to replace the ceramic heat sink with a 40x40mm aluminum one I can get on Ebay. Should yield a much better efficiency combined with cutting out the back cover as you suggested.
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ReplyDeleteHello! Today I had to fix my TV with the exact problems, and it works now. However, could you tell me, if the TVs you fixed this way still work?
ReplyDeleteOr what's the expected lifespan of this fix? If it's too short, I might look for another TV..
There is no way to tell, because the hack (not a real fix) is never the same done by different people.
DeleteHello Alpengeist, how long did your "fix" last? I just "fix" one,so I am curious if I should put it back together or bin it :)
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