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2016-03-10

Philips 42PFL9803 - chassis Q529 - two blinks - shot FDS8884 FETs on main board - typical fault

The Philips 8000/9000 series from around 2010 are my favorites after the Panasonic NeoPlasmas. This one came in with the two blink code. The seller said it suddenly switched itself off and never came back alive.

Just look at this. Two fans and four decent speakers. Only one adhesive tape, the rest is done with clips. The power supply is built for eternity. Back in those days, TVs used to have a protective shield in front of the panel and the frame was rock solid. The golden age of LCD TVs.



Ok, service manual readily available at elektrotanya.com. The Philips manuals from those days are enormously detailed. They even explain the DC/DC regulator circuitry. Real engineering pride. They always give me good confidence to attempt any repair, even on board level. First thing to do with a dead Philips is to activate the SDM (service default mode). This is done by shorting the SDM point on the main board to ground:


The device will ignore a number of checks and keep running. Also, it will morse an extended error code via the stand-by LED. In my case it was 1 long - 8 short, which means code 18. Let's look it up:


Aha, so next task was to locate the DC supply circuitry on the main (SSB) board and measure. I found a broken fuse:


I measured the FETs right next to it and found 7U05 to be dead short. It was the 1.2V DC supply. All the FETs are FDS8884. Didn't have those in stock, but I had a number of FDS8880, which are from the same family, but can handle more current. After removing the FET I also did an A-B check on the two identical PWM chips on the underside and found nothing alarming. So the PWM chip could still be ok.


Now, for testing I connected a fuse holder with a 4A fuse and started the device. Klack klack - dead - blinking. The fuse blew again! Was I a little to hasty this time?

The FET was shorted again. Why? Because I was sloppy and did not properly check 7U06, which wasn't dead short but almost. This so-called 'lower FET' goes to ground and 7U05 goes to 12V plus. Therefore, this sucker killed my new FET by pulling it to ground.





Now this got me thinking again: if 7U05 goes short, which is connected to 12V and is feeding directly into the 1.2V line, 12 volts are hitting the processor! Even for a short period of time, this could be fatal for main processor's core. I also did some research on the net and that did not lift my spirits, either. In a number of forums I found a couple of similar cases with no good ending.

With mixed feelings, I replaced both FETs this time. I connected the board to my bench supply, limiting the current to 500mA. I first connected the 1.2V line directly and it only pulled much less than that. Chances were high that the processor was still good.

Then I connected the 12V feed. The DC/DC regulator came up ok and the board pulled a constant current around 550mA. Nice.

Back in the TV, I still kept the 12V feed connected to the bench supply. The TV wouldn't come up unless I raised the current limit to 1600mA.


But that did the trick. It was working again! I was lucky. No ICs fried. A cheap repair.

Hallo Frau Johansson!



This TV confirmed my opinion about the 8/9er series. Brilliant image! Totally even backlight, crisp colors, very high contrast. Like all LCD TVs I've seen, it does not match the natural colors of a Panasonic NeoPlasma. The viewing angle is a little critical, too. The colors quickly wash out viewed slightly from the top. Like many LED LCDs, it emphasizes reds a little. The software does offer a custom white balance, which does help somewhat.

The sound is powerful, homogeneous and spacey, thanks to four proper wide-band speakers.

Epilogue


I was lucky++. Later I found the following warning note in the manual:


And this:

These guys know their stuff!

I should have checked the FETs first. In my case, the fuse blew and they were inactive, anyway. But if they had produced over-voltage without blowing the fuse, I definitely would have fried the main processor. The main board is not available anywhere, not even in the most exotic countries.
Always fully read the fucking manuals!

As this TV had some mileage, I also had a look at the power supply's solder joints. None of them showed any signs of aging. As a precaution I re-soldered all FETs and diodes. All heavy and hot parts are mounted in rivets, the heat sinks are ridiculously over-sized. They get a little more than hand-warm at best.

A great machine. However, it seems to have trouble with the DC/DC stage sometimes and according to some voices on the net, it may fry its processor.

So what about the three blinks error code?

The same model was on eBay at the time, with a three blink error code. According to the manual, this means 12V supply failure. Your first instinct would focus on the power supply. But, from what I know now, I'd suspect an identical failure, albeit with no open fuse. The DC/DC stage might produce heavy over-voltage and there is nothing the protection circuitry can do about it except cutting the 12V supply. The warnings from the manual have to be taken very seriously. The question is: did the ICs survive the attack or not?

23 comments:

  1. Hi,
    I have a 52PFL9703.
    It seems impossible to set SDM mode (no blinking at all)
    But the TV starts (relays on) light guide blinks 9 time then back to sleep, 1s delay and again the cycle...
    Do you have any experience about this behavior ?
    Thanks in advance.

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    1. Hi, I'm afraid I have not observed this particular behavior, yet. Does the Philips Logo come up at all? If not, the TV is not booting properly. Hard to say, maybe the software is stuck. You might try the reinstall like I've described here: http://alpengeist-tvrepair.blogspot.de/2016/12/philips-42pfl7685-boot-loop-software.html

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  2. Hi, thanks.
    No image at all.
    Strange thing, I can get an image on the screen by forcing SW load. I have installed the last firmware 103.
    The image is displayed in false color. Any RC command to set the alignment is taken into account.
    Regards.

    This is the only way to see an image...

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    1. Uh oh. This looks like a faulty main board to me. Maybe the eeprom or other non volatile ram. I have no experience with that.

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  3. OK,thanks.
    I can take you posted if you wish?

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    1. You mean you will keep me posted? Yes, sure.

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    2. Good progres, bad conclusion.
      I've connected a serial interface to the uart jack.
      It works
      but the boot stops for unknown platform error.
      I heavily suspect my SSB not compatible with the 9703.
      I've seen on the board that one FPGA is missing for ambilight
      Last line of boot log :

      005.150 I2c unit 1 soft reset (after retry 0 for address 1080). I2c bus blocked?
      00 005.152 Reduced number of retries to 1 after i2c timeout by pretending this was retry 4
      00 005.652 I2c unit 1 soft reset (after retry 5 for address 1080). I2c bus blocked?
      00 006.341 Debug dump 000934: Fatal hardware error: unknown platform error, process = /philips/apps/ceplfapp (118), time = Sat Jan 1 00:00:05 2000, millis = 5654, SW version = Q591E-0.103.0.0 Release
      00 006.341 Last print
      Restarting system.

      End of the story
      I ordered a SSB # 3104 303 51024 3104 313 62144
      but I received a SSB # 3104.303.51026 3104.313.62146
      so called "compatible" but is not the case...

      Regards.

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    3. This is cool. I must get myself a serial interface. I'd love to read the boot log! Which hardware are you using for this?

      Well, I guess that was bad luck for you. I am very careful with main and TCON boards to match precisely. Some manufacturers like Sony allow for a generic board type to be set up with a firmware upon first boot. Don't know about the Philips.

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  5. Hi,
    I'm using USB to/from RS232 with well known prolific chip.
    Then connecting TX from the board (external contact on the jack) to RX of DB9.
    The speed is 38400 8bit no parity no control.
    Then you can use linux or Windows with a terminal application.

    Regards

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  6. Hello, I have this same TV model, in my case it turns on and gets stuck with the TV channel running, it does not allow to change channels or enter the menu. Try to upgrade without extio.
    I think the problem is on the motherboard, but I do not know where to start looking. Voltages are correct.
    What is your opinion of my problem?

    a greeting

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    1. Hm, looks as if it is unresponsive to any commands. Can you change the speaker volume on the remote? Do the buttons on the TV make any difference?

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    2. Does not respond to anything.

      I take it to technical service and say that you have to change the motherboard and it is not available.

      Looking for internert I can not find any for this philips model. 42pfl9803h

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  7. Hi Mr, in the case where the fuse is not blown, there is a good chance that ICs are fried as well as mosfets. But can you tell me which IC is fried then? isp1564hl ?

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    1. I'm afraid I cannot answer this question.

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  8. Hallo! I have a problem with my 42PFL9803. Can you please help me with this? My email is tomislav.barhanovic@gmail.com.I can send you pictures of what exactly is going on.. Thank you!

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    1. Hi Tomislav. I am sorry to disappoint you. I only help out in forums and blogs. No personal repair support. All I know about this device is written here.

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  9. Hello Hermann,
    I've got Philips 42PFL9902H/10. It has defective T-con. Could you advise where/how to find a T-con model number for this TV-set? Sorry if my question is not relevant for this forum.
    Best, Evgeny.

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    1. I don't have any lists to look that up. You will have to remove it and then google for the number, which is printed on it.

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  10. Hi friend. I have this same TV model(42PFL7403). My problem is two blinking too.FDS 8884's are good. Probably 12V on the motherboard crashing. That's why I need the schematic diagrams. Can you help me?

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    1. Get the service manual for q529 from elektrotanya.com.

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